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I like the price... I'm interested in the answer to this question as well. One of those machines that I'd imagine you don't use too often, but when you do, it's got to save alot of time. It would make me much more inclined to try mortise and tennon joints.
Price looks good. Can't comment as to quality or anything. I have a Jet mortiser. I wish it had a riser block (which it appears you can get) and I wish the hold down on mine was better. I like the arm/handle on the Craftsman but that is all I can say. Do they have it in stock where you can go check it out? That would be my suggestion.
Mine is a Craftsman. I bought it used.
Overall I'm fairly happy with it, but it does have a little lateral play. In other words, if you're trying to shave the edge off one side of a mortise, it will frequently deviate and follow the edge instead of cutting into the side. This may be a problem with other mortisers too, though.
Also - I don't know about that newer model, but mine only takes Craftsman brand hollow mortise chisels - can't use any of the standard aftermarket brands. This is because the chuck on mine is so small, the standard size bits won't reach all the way up to the chuck. Here is a pic I took when I tried to fit a Fisch bit in there a while back:
The hold-down is not that great on mine. If you've never used a HCM before, you may not realize what an important role the hold-down plays. It works fine though once you clamp the fence down using C-clamps like you see in the pic below. It gets the job done, though...
If I were you I would seriously look at the Delta 14-651 (not the MM300).
Overall I'm fairly happy with it, but it does have a little lateral play. In other words, if you're trying to shave the edge off one side of a mortise, it will frequently deviate and follow the edge instead of cutting into the side. This may be a problem with other mortisers too, though.
Also - I don't know about that newer model, but mine only takes Craftsman brand hollow mortise chisels - can't use any of the standard aftermarket brands. This is because the chuck on mine is so small, the standard size bits won't reach all the way up to the chuck. Here is a pic I took when I tried to fit a Fisch bit in there a while back:
The hold-down is not that great on mine. If you've never used a HCM before, you may not realize what an important role the hold-down plays. It works fine though once you clamp the fence down using C-clamps like you see in the pic below. It gets the job done, though...
If I were you I would seriously look at the Delta 14-651 (not the MM300).
From the picture that mortiser looks pretty good, but I've never been happy with Craftsman machines. Seems like everywhere I look people are complimenting the Jet mortisers, if I'm remembering correctly one of the editors of Popular Woodworking wrote a full page article on their Jet mortiser, and he liked it with the exception of the common complaint, the hold down. Just my .02.
I have one just like it. It's worked well for me the past 3 years. I don't have anyway to compare it to other machines because it the only one I've used. I got it used for $45.00 so I'm happy.
M
McRabbet
Pete,
Although the Craftsman unit is not included, there was a fairly thorough review of Benchtop Mortisers in the June/July issue of WOOD magazine, starting on page 78. They rated the Delta 14-651 and Shop Fox W1671 the "best values" (at $230 each retail) and The General 75-050T at $340 as "Top Tool". If you need a copy of the article, PM me and I'll see what I can do to help.
Rob
Although the Craftsman unit is not included, there was a fairly thorough review of Benchtop Mortisers in the June/July issue of WOOD magazine, starting on page 78. They rated the Delta 14-651 and Shop Fox W1671 the "best values" (at $230 each retail) and The General 75-050T at $340 as "Top Tool". If you need a copy of the article, PM me and I'll see what I can do to help.
Rob
A while back, I "borrowed" an HF HCM from a buddy for about a month and that was my first experience with a mortiser. It worked but was a pain to set up and choked up frequently.
I got the Delta 14-651 for Christmas, 2004 and I will say that the Delta is a full order of magnitude better than the HF model. I find setup to be very easy and it is accurate enough that all I do is center the cut on a test piece, than simply mark the "start" and "end" points along every piece of stock and go. The fence adjusts easily. Once set, it will not waver from the mark. It makes a straight edged mortise. It allows me to make accurate mortises very quickly. I can shave the edges of a mortise but I expect a sharp chisel helps. I have confidence in it (a very important thing for me).
I have heard of several people having problems with the machine arriving damaged but fortunately mine was okay. I cannot compare it with the Craftsman or any others.
There are some who are talented enough to make mortises quickly by hand. I am not in that group. I have made a lot of M&T joints in the past year. I really like my mortiser.
I got the Delta 14-651 for Christmas, 2004 and I will say that the Delta is a full order of magnitude better than the HF model. I find setup to be very easy and it is accurate enough that all I do is center the cut on a test piece, than simply mark the "start" and "end" points along every piece of stock and go. The fence adjusts easily. Once set, it will not waver from the mark. It makes a straight edged mortise. It allows me to make accurate mortises very quickly. I can shave the edges of a mortise but I expect a sharp chisel helps. I have confidence in it (a very important thing for me).
I have heard of several people having problems with the machine arriving damaged but fortunately mine was okay. I cannot compare it with the Craftsman or any others.
There are some who are talented enough to make mortises quickly by hand. I am not in that group. I have made a lot of M&T joints in the past year. I really like my mortiser.
NCPete said:
I've been looking at that one too. It's made by Orian, who makes the new zip code saws for Craftsman.
I had to call with a question on a tenon jig I got at Woodcraft and was surprised to find I was talking to a nice guy at Orion. I remembered to ask about the Craftsman mortiser and he said they are very proud of the unit.
If it has the quality and level of support that Orion has delivered on it's other products, it should be a fine unit.
(Orion was started by a group of Delta engineers)
ken
I have the Shop Fox and have been very satisfied with it. I can't compare it to any other brand, because I haven't used any other bench top mortiser.
I used an old foot operated Cresent, when I worked as a cabinetmaker. After using one of them no bench top can compare, beleive I know.
The Shop Fox, has the same "problem" as Insominacs Craftsman. Delta, Jet, or Fisch chisels/bits aren't long enough to reach the chuck. I use Shop Fox/Grizzly brand, and they do fine.
Here are a few pics of my set-up:
I used an old foot operated Cresent, when I worked as a cabinetmaker. After using one of them no bench top can compare, beleive I know.
The Shop Fox, has the same "problem" as Insominacs Craftsman. Delta, Jet, or Fisch chisels/bits aren't long enough to reach the chuck. I use Shop Fox/Grizzly brand, and they do fine.
Here are a few pics of my set-up:
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The best one to get is the General benchtop with the tilting head. It runs about $299, but is worth every penny. I got my General before the tilt head version existed or that is the one I would have gotten. I've cut a lot of mortises with mine and have been really impressed. The general usually wins most of the magazine showdowns too.
Thanks,
John
Thanks,
John
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