My goodbye post, sort of. (long)

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CaptainCowie

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Marcus
I have been gone for a while and I am not sure if anyone will remember me but, I just want to tell everyone my story. Maybe others will get something from this but really this post is for me. With that said I will start from the beginning.

I am only 24 years old but I have had a love for woodworking since I was just a child. I remember watching The Woodwright's Shop and The New Yankee Workshop, when I was a child, and wishing that I could do all of those neat things that Norm Abram and Roy Underhill could do. I even remember one time while watching their shows with my dad, I told him that I was going to have a wood shop when I grew up!

So as time passed, I started to get into woodworking around the age of 12. I was at my friends house and we built a little night stand for my room. We did this with nothing more than a Stanly hammer, Craftsman screwdriver and a Skil circular saw that must have been 20 years old and weighed more than I did! It was a simple piece that was nothing more than two sides, a top and two shelves. The nightstand had a piece of cardboard that I cut out and nailed to the back like those inexpensive TV stands you buy at discount stores. Even though the nightstand was very basic and crude looking I was so proud of it.

By the time I was 15 a lot of my friends started to get cars. Being typical teenagers, they all wanted to have big sound systems in their cars. At that point I had been using woodworking tools for a few years I offered to make an enclosure for a friend's sub-woofers. He agreed so I went to work. It was only the second time I had ever worked with any kind of sheet goods and the first time I did anything with carpet. I did my homework and with the help of the internet I was able to make a well designed enclosure that looked good and sounded great in his car.

Once I turned 18 I had been making sub-woofer enclosures for most of my friends and many people from my high school. I started to get a reputation for car audio installs and even made some money doing it. With the money I earned from the car audio projects and my job at an Italian restaurant, I was able to buy some home audio stuff for my bedroom and get a nice little theater set up. I built all of the speakers and even one of the amplifiers. It was the first time I worked with veneer and it turned out really good! Once again, I was so proud of what I had made.

From the ages of 18 to 22 I had many different home audio configurations. I got my first house at the age of 20 made a really nice set of 5 speakers for my living room. I ended up selling them to a friend when I got into a tight spot and had some bills to pay. He showed them to many people and one of them ended up hiring me to do a full home theater in his home on Lake Norman.

I was a little nervous and not sure what to expect because I had never had a job of this size before. When I first went to vast him I was shocked at the size of his house. This place was huge! He lead me to the basement and it was empty, nothing but block walls and an unfinished ceiling. This was going to be a bigger job then I thought! We had dinner together and talked for a while about what he wanted and what ideas he had for his theater. By the end of the conversation he said "what would you want if you had no budget?" My eyes widened and I told him what I had always dreamed of doing. Once I finished telling him about all the little details that I had seen in my mind a million times he said "Let's do that then." I was shocked and excited to say the least! The cost for parts alone was going to be more money than I had ever seen in my life and he just hired me to do this job.

So with his first payment I went and bought a nice table saw and a few little tools to make the job easier. I worked for 70 to 80 hours a week for about 8 weeks until the job was finished. It was by far the best work I had ever done. I spent so much time on the design of the speakers and really put everything I had in it. Everything from the framing of the walls to the sound deadening of the stage/subwoofer enclosure was done to the best of my ability. The man was very happy with the finished product and invited many of his friends and neighbors over to see it.

I ended up getting a few jobs around Lake Norman because of him and made a good bit of money. I spent most of what I made on more tools and got a pretty nice home shop set up. At this point I had been working almost entirely with sheet goods and veneer but I wanted to branch out and start working with solid woods and do some of the things that I remember watching Norm and Roy do. So with my new tools and some wood I did a few projects and really enjoyed them. Most of them I gave to friends and family as gifts like most woodworkers seem to do. Every time I gave someone something I had made I had the familiar feeling of pride.

About a year or so ago, while looking on the internet for projects to do, I came across pen making. I was so amazed by some of the pens people have made and how beautiful they were! So I took a trip to the other side and picked up a lathe and a few pen kits at the local woodworking supply shop. That night I made my first pen and I was hooked! It was so simple and yet so fun! I would wake up and go to work then come home and make pens till it was time for bed. I even started to sell a few here and there to pay for my new found hobby. I was really enjoying pen making and was getting pretty good at it too. Pens make such good gifts and for as little as $8.00 you could make something that looked like it cost many times more than that. I thought I had finally found my niche.

Sadly around March or April of this year I started to have trouble breathing after I had worked in the garage, I mean wood shop. At first I had no idea that woodworking could be the cause of my trouble. I had been doing this for years and never had any sort of issues and almost always wore a face mask as I had asthma as a child and didn’t want to take any chances. I thought it was just a cold of some sort and tried over the counter medications to mask the symptoms. My nose would be stuffy; my eyes would be itchy, and worst of all I felt as if I couldn’t take a full breath. After about a week of feeling this way I decided that I need to see a doctor. I ended up going to the same doctor twice and he ran many different tests on me to see what it was that I had. He couldn’t find any type of virus and sent me to an allergy specialist. Once there he asked me a few questions and he suggested that I might be allergic to something in the woods I was working with. He sent me home and told me to make a list of all the woods I had been around in the week before I started having trouble. I send him the list and he orders a test kit to test for wood allergies. He tests me and I show no reaction to any of the things he tests me for. Once he saw that he was a little unsure as to what it might be and referred me to a respiratory specialist.

I ended up going to the respiratory specialist a few times and he never figured out what is wrong with me. He basically gave up trying to help and ended up saying that he just didn’t know what’s wrong with me and there was nothing he could do. I went to a different respiratory specialist, which was a woodworker himself, and got the same story. The best he could say was "Just stay away from the garage and stop woodworking."
 

CaptainCowie

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Marcus
Not wanting to give up woodworking I decided that I would try to fix it myself. I went to the woodworking supply shop and bought a nice dust collector, ambient air cleaner, and a full face mask with good canister filters. When working in the shop, I would have the shop-vac sucking up anything I missed with the collector as I worked. Well, after a night of being in the shop and enjoying my first time back in there in weeks, I thought I had figured out a way to get around the breathing issues and still do woodworking. The next morning, however, my lungs didn’t agree. I paid for the night before dearly. It was the worst I had felt and it lasted about 4 days before I could take a full breath. That was in May and it was the last time I have used my tools.

I really do miss woodworking and especially pen making. Every time I go into my garage I get a sad feeling knowing that I can’t use any of the tools. It may seem silly to some but this was something I truly was passionate about. Knowing that I can’t do woodworking anymore is a very sad thing for me. I really will miss it but I must be mindful of my heath first and foremost. I hate to say it but I will be listing my tools for sale over the next few weeks. I have to do it slowly because I can’t be in the garage for long or my symptoms start acting up again. It pains me to have to do this and I understand that they are just material things but I feel as if I am selling a part of me.

I am not sure what to say in closing, but I thank you for reading my story, I hope that I can find something to fill the void left once I sell off my tools. I am sure I will still lurk around on the forums once in a while so I will see you around. This is truly the best online community I have ever come across and I thank you all.

 

NCPete

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Pete Davio
Marcus,

there is a full-face mask designed for turners that has a HEPA filtering attachment to it. Don't recall where I saw it last, but it is certainly available.... might have been Hartville Tool??
 

NCPete

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Pete Davio
yup, no wood issues in plastic! hmmmm, wonder about antler - yes there is dust, but it is different dust!
 

bluewing92

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Norm
Sorry to hear about your health problem. Have you check your garage for mold or other fungus that could be causing this problem.
 

PChristy

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Phillip
Sorry to hear about your health problem. Have you check your garage for mold or other fungus that could be causing this problem.


This is the very thing that I thought of when I was reading this - since you have been tested for the wood allgeries - I believe that you can get a mold teater from your local hardware store and check your shop - I will be praying that you have a full recovery and that you will not have to sell any of your tools - Please keep us informed and don't stay away - these kind folks on this site sure has helped me through some rough times and I am sure they will help you too:icon_thum
 

TN Woodie

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John
You might try visiting someone else's wood working shop, try to eliminate one major item. Is it your shop or the wood? I agree with the previous post, maybe it's a shop problem, not a wood problem. The environment in the shop can change, but you have been woodworking for a long time. Have you changed the type of wood used?

Often, you are your best doctor. You know yourself and you know what changes you make.

Then again, allergies sometime present themselves after long exposure.
 

ScottM

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You have been given some sound advise. If I was a betting man I would put money on mold. I hope you try them all before throwing in the towel. Let me make a few more suggestion in case is the wood dust:
- Change your clothes and shoes before entering the house from the shop

- Shower immediately after coming in from the shop

- Make sure there is a good air seal between the garage and house

GOOD LUCK.
 

Trent Mason

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Trent Mason
Marcus,

I'm terribly sorry to hear about the issues you've been having. If mold/mildew were present, or you think that might be what it is, call a restoration company (Servpro, Paul Davis, etc). They can come out and let you know if you have a mold problem. If there is mold present, they will call an industrial hygienist (if you wish) to come out, investigate and give them a protocol to eliminate the problem. I'm not sure if you're renting ot if you own your home, but all of this should be covered under your homeowner's insurance. HTH. Best of luck.

Trent
 

Keye

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What you are facing is just plain old hard to figure out. I think you have many options left to try before you give up. If you want to PM me I will send you my telephone number and we can talk. I am sure there are many other members that can provide support and help from their experiences.

The first thing you need to find is a good allergist. From what you said and what I know I am sure you have not found a good allergist. If you could find one that is also a wood worker it would be even better. Wish I had one I could recommend but I don't.

It may seem brain dead simple but have you tried working in a different shop.

Anyone remember the "Kid in a Bubble" movie. The kid had no immune system so he was allergic to everything. One of the pediatric allergists for the boy treated my youngest son. Allergies can be extremely difficult to identify. One of the reasons is because you can, and probably are, allergic to more than one thing. One of the things I learned is you have to eliminate everything and then add one thing at a time back to your environment.

I am not an industrial hygienist but I do know that before you wear a NIOSH approved full face dual cartridge respirator you need to have a pulmonary function test. You may be in good enough shape to run a marathon but die very quickly wearing a respirator. Breathing in is not the problem, breathing out is. Just the small amount of back pressure you need to overcome to breath out is to much for some people. You also need to fit tested. Respirators are not one size or brand fit all. If a respirator will solve you problem the ones sold at the Borg are not what you need.

Please do not give up yet. You have many options to pursue first.

I will second Scott. You have been given some good advice but there is much more to learn and try.
 
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medic

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john
have they done a mri or a ct scan on your lungs. what about checking for an infection of the lungs , a good resp spec. should have done a number of tests on you to find out what is the problem usually a teaching hospital is the better place to go because they can do alot more testing so if you don't get the answers you want go somewhere else but NEVER stop fighthing until you have gotten your answer and who nows you might just be able to get back into woodworking
 

ACobra289

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Bill
I don't really have anything to add, but it's obvious you have a passion for woodworking and it would be a shame for you to give up without exhausting every possible solution. You have been given some good advice and I hope you can find the cause so you don't have to give up woodworking.

Good luck.
Bill
 

Robert Arrowood

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Robert Arrowood
Marcus man I hate to hear about your problems. Like the rest of the guys here don't just give up.If your lathe is a midi take it outside and see if that helps.
 

brent innc

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Brent
Did you ever use any spalted wood?..........nasty stuff
Also, ever sand any acrylic, pvc compounds, very nasty!
 

Makinsawdust

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Robert
Marcus,
Based on your neg. skin test I would think mold or chemicals would be the prime suspects. Do you have any Padauk in your shop? I have had a white mold grow on it from time to time.
I'm just wondering do you by chance have lots of sheet goods in your shop or have your walls covered in new plywood, strand board or mdf? It could be the formaldehyde out gas. What type glue do you use? Urea-formaldehyde, sometimes called plastic resin glue is what's used in the sheet goods. The chemicals in CA or Epoxy might be suspect. Yellow glue would be the last one I would suspect as causing a problem.
Another culprit might be the aromatic chemicals given off from cedar.
Hope you can figure it out. It'd be a shame that you couldn't do what you love to do.
Rob
 

JimmyC

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Jimmy
Marcus,
I'm real sorry to hear about your problem. There may be some ways around it as others say. Have you ever thought about going neander and working with just hand tools ? Scrapers and planes make much, much less dust (if any) than power tools. Good luck, and don't give up the ghost too fast.
 

Dudelive

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Dude
Please whatever you do don't quit because of some problem that can not seem to be fixed yet. There is a solution to everything but the key is to stop and get away from it for awhile till your mind clears up so you can think.

It did not always do this right? So that makes me think that something has changed somewhere somehow in a way that don't agree with your body.

The reason I say don't quit is you seem to love what you were doing and it would be a shame for you not to be able to continue doing it. There have been some good advice given here and selling or quitting in my opinion is not an option. There may be something simple that can be done or removed that will help.

Maybe you can get someone to clean the shop top to bottom and cover it in plastic and then only use one thing at a time as already suggested.

Good Luck
 
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