Hex Drive Socket Cap Bolts for outdoor project

AllanD

Allan
Senior User
When I have needed bolts, especially stainless or other specialties, I have ordered them (in order) from Amazon, McMaster Carr, or Bolt Depot. I only go to Fastenal when I need them that day. I will put a plug in for McMaster and their shipping policy. We all know how we can often get stuff from Amazon the same day or next day but when I order from McMaster I have several times got the order the next day (from Atlanta I think) through UPS and at the standard shipping rate.
 

Hmerkle

Board of Directors, Development Director
Hank
Corporate Member
I am going to apologize first to all the people I will likely offend with what I am about to say.

ONLY use Fastenal as a last resort! PLEASE!
You are "feeding the beast" Much like we disparage the big box stores, Fastenal is much the same.
They are solely responsible for killing a LOT of small businesses.

Especially in this case where jgt has access to marine grade fasteners in or near his back yard since he is close to the coast, there are a BUNCH of people that are likely to be happy to help with his request.
Those of us who are more inland, may have a more difficult time "locally sourcing" products like stainless fasteners and then Fastenal should be a choice in the list, but they hire poorly equipped people and do little to train them for the job they are doing and over charge for the product and "service" (if you can call it that)

Now there are bright spots, I have used Fastenal in various places and found competent people, but unfortunately they don't last long since someone recognizes and pulls them "up the ladder" and out of serving people!
 

jgt1942

jgt
User
OK I placed the order with BoltDepot.com
24 pieces#27268 Tap bolts, Stainless steel 316, 1/4"-20 x 3-1/2"$2.05$49.20
101 pieces#16008 Hex nylon insert lock nuts, Stainless steel 316, 1/4"-20$19.45/100$19.64
100 pieces#16040 Fender washers, Stainless steel 316, 1/4" x 1-1/4"$27.26/100$27.26

I did check the Fastenal site using the link provided by Matt. Just looking at the bolts I needed it would be $100 and they did not have the 3 1/2" I needed.

I ordered the 316 deck screws ( 2 3/8") from Home Depot, they were much less expensive than other sources ($126 for 700 screws). This quantity is much than I need for this project but I have other outdoor projects.
 

jgt1942

jgt
User
I wish I would have known you were looking at the different Stainless grades.
Normally I would say you are find with the 18-8 stainless (300 grade -304, 305 etc.)

BUT since you are on the coast and might see salt corrosion - you may want to upgrade to 316 as it seems you have done.

My suggestion - run a test - buy some of the 305 and some of the 316 and put them into the wood as you would for your outdoor furniture and put them (out back somewhere) to see in months or after a year what impact your enviroment has on them, you might be surprised...
Hank, Great suggestion. In that I have some deck screws 305 grade, some regular outdoor deck screws and will be receiving 316 in a few days I can create a test. Thanks for the suggestion.
 

Hmerkle

Board of Directors, Development Director
Hank
Corporate Member
Hank, Great suggestion. In that I have some deck screws 305 grade, some regular outdoor deck screws and will be receiving 316 in a few days I can create a test. Thanks for the suggestion.
Love to know the results.
 

jgt1942

jgt
User
Bummer, the screws I ordered from HD turned out to be trim screws that have very small heads. Today I talked to HD customer service, setup a return, and ordered the correct screws. BTW the correct screws was more expensive e.g. $98.64 for 400 screws. This will be more than enough and provide extras for other outdoor projects.
 

jgt1942

jgt
User
I've seen a few recommendations for Torx head screws, finding the sizes normally used on decks is rather easy but I'm having a problem finding smaller screws for outdoor projects. I'm looking for 1/2", 5/8", 3/4", 1" for outdoor projects in pound or 5 pound quanities. Any suggestions?

I'm also looking for pocked screws for outdoor projects. Most likely I will be using 3/4" to 2" thick wood for these projects.
 

Wilsoncb

Williemakeit
User
I’ve had the same problem finding smaller wood screws at the big box stores. For the short screws you might have to go to a stainless Phillips head. McMaster Carr have some Torx round head, but it’s really a sheet metal screw. Depending on how it is used it probably wouldn’t matter.

For pocket screws, Kreg Blue-Kote are for outdoor use. Kreg also has a SS pocket screw, but it has a smaller head on it.
 

Hjanes

Harlan
User
Needed a rare (to me) metric bolt recently and found it in three grades at Bolt Depot. Quick service. Also have found non-standrd solutions at Jamestown Distributors.
 

smallboat

smallboat
Corporate Member
OK I've given up on the barrel (sex) nuts and bolts. I went to boltdepot.com and ended up using the Chat, Chris was SUPER helpful.
I will order the 316 deck screws from HD, 2-3/8 in. 316 Stainless Steel Trimhead Deck Screw (700-Count) for $126

Thanks for all the help. I've not talled the total cost for the project but I'm somewhere between $200 and $300 (I think). I will talley the total (maybe) just to see what the cost is. I think my grandson also wants a similar table. "IF" I make him one I will use the redwood I have and not apply the epoxy.
you’ve put a lot of thought and planning into this, so you may have thought of this already.
since you have already sealed the wood with epoxy, you will be breaking that barrier everywhere you drill for a screw.
moisture can get in these spots and then be trapped in the wood with no way to breathe out as the surfaces are sealed.
usually I would use a marine bedding compound in the hole as I assemble, or if time allows swab the inside of bolt holes with epoxy, let it soak in and cure. If its a penetrating epoxy it won’t change the ID of the hole. Not sure how the tabletop epoxy will do it that regard.

The WEST System site has a lot of project articles for things in addition to boats. You might find some useful info there. They also had the WEST System manual available as a PDF. A great resource for epoxy applications. Primarily boats, but a lot of the structural details and processes can be adapted
 

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