Gluing Stained/Dyed Wood

[Glennbear]

I have some planned projects which ideally would contain species which would give a good color contrast. Unfortunately my wood stash does not contain such species and my current financial situation does not allow purchase of same. :no: I was thinking I could change the color of some of the wood I have which led to the following questions:

1) Is it possible to glue wood which has been stained with a water based stain? Which glue ?

2) Same questions for dyed wood. Alcohol dye ? Water dye ?

3) Same questions for oil based stained wood.

The wood selections I have to work with consists of heart pine, red oak, and birch. Ideally I would end up with the kind of contrast that padauk, walnut, etc. would give. I am aware that topcoating with shellac, lacquer or poly would of course have to take place after assembly.

Thank you for any and all expertise/experience you can share. :wsmile:

 

[Joe Scharle]

For a good answer hopefully someone like Howie will chime in.
However, I've stained & tinted walnut sapwood prior to working with it to make sure it would even out the color. It was all cut to size first and tenons and mortises showed new wood so I didn't have any glue up problems. Also, if I can, I'll tape areas to be glued and apply finish, allow to dry, then glue up.

 

[Howard Acheson]

1) Is it possible to glue wood which has been stained with a water based stain? Which glue ?

2) Same questions for dyed wood. Alcohol dye ? Water dye ?

3) Same questions for oil based stained wood.

The wood selections I have to work with consists of heart pine, red oak, and birch. Ideally I would end up with the kind of contrast that padauk, walnut, etc. would give. I am aware that topcoating with shellac, lacquer or poly would of course have to take place after assembly.

OK to stain with a dye stain but it's not OK to glue up over an oil or waterbased pigment stain. Pigment stains contain a sealer that keeps the pigment on the surface but also effectively seals the surface preventing the penetration of the adhesive.

Not a good idea to over coat a waterbased pigment or dye stain with shellac as it will dissolve the stains and make for a muddy appearance. Sometimes you can get away with spraying the shellac.

Most stains will run under any type of masking tape and you will not get a clean line brake if you do any staining after assembly.