What are food safe finishes?

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Matt

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Matt Willis
What are safe finishes for bowls / cups that will hold edible liquids?

I know that mineral oil would probably be ok (rec'd for cutting boards). However, how does it stand up if submerged? Most of the plain oil finishes rate fairly poorly in water resistance in the reviews I have read.

Also, what about Waterlox? I see a bunch of turners in Wilmington using Waterlox on just about everything. My bottle of Waterlox Original says that it is safe for baby toys (kind of edible) when dry. Would that work? Maybe this paragraph explains most of the people in Wilmington?:eusa_thin

Anyone tried lead paint?:eusa_naug

Thanks!
 

DaveO

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All finishes are non-toxic once fully cured. Depending on the application of the piece, Shellac could be used as long as it won't hold alcohol. Lacquer could be another choice, and I would think that Waterlox Original S/F would be a good choice also.
Dave:)
 

clowman

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Clay Lowman
Hmm... I thought fully submerging nearly anything handmade would be a bad idea... have I been mislead? I do remember reading that shellac, when cured, is the most digestable finish... right after food coloring.
 

erasmussen

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RAS
clowman said:
Hmm... I thought fully submerging nearly anything handmade would be a bad idea... have I been mislead? I do remember reading that shellac, when cured, is the most digestable finish... right after food coloring.

Some foods and pill are coated with shellac nowdays:icon_thum
 

Handturnedbowls

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James Holland
Hi Matt,
I researched this quite extensively when I entered the arena of turning for profit.

First, Dave O's response is correct. The only disadvantage is that each time a bowl is used to eat out of tiny particles of the finish do detach and are ingested. I cant remember hearing of anyone being allergic to finishes though, and these particles simply pass thru the human digestive system unremarkably.

One product is made especially for this application. Behemen's Salad Bowl finish. I have used it on personal commissions for bowls that would be eaten from. Totally safe and non toxic, but also contrived to hold up to this type of use.

Most turners who provide food safe bowls, finish their bowls with an oil of some type. Tung oil or even vegtable oil. When a bowl is eaten from though, it must be washed thoroughly, dried completely, then treated with the same oil each time or the moisture will destroy the wood. This is more than most people will be willing to do consistently.

I do not prescribe to this. The repeated application of these oils can eventually build up within the outer surfaces after time and become rancid, spoiling the taste of the foods eaten from the bowl.

My favorite way of finishing a food bowl is by applying Walnut oil to the bowl, on the lathe, when it is ready for finish. You apply it liberally while it is still, let it soak a few minutes, then wipe up the excess. Then turn on the lathe and use a sturdy felt or cotton rag, and apply moderate pressure to all the treated surfaces. This will introduce friction, and "cure" the oil on the surface creating a hard shell.

Walnut oil is the only oil that will dry to a hard finish, and seal the wood naturally. No other oil will do this. I dries to a satin finish, but repeated "burn in's" will increase the gloss.

You will find this method to be very satisfactory, and will last a year or more if done in several coats.

One last thing. Spray Polyurethane is my default finish. I apply it to the bowl in coats while it spins. I lightly polish each coat to a high luster with felt rags while it spins. This is safe and will last a while, but repeated eating and washing from it will erode the poly. So while it is fairly durable you can see the shine from it and will detect when it has worn off.

So you have only to consider the long term benefits when choosing your method.

Good luck and happy turning.

cad
 

Handturnedbowls

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James Holland
Thanks Pete,
I have missed being able to visit.

I have been under a tremendous load the last month, with the pinnacle of my efforts going towards an exhibit at the museum of art in Fayetteville that starts May 12th.

Only recently have I been able to reduce some of the load I had on me.

I hope to come by the forum more often now.

Good to hear from you as well.

cad
 
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McRabbet

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Matt,

I thing Cad meant "Behlen's Salad Bowl Finish", which is available through Woodworker's Supply.

Rob
Handturnedbowls said:
Hi Matt,
I researched this quite extensively when I entered the arena of turning for profit...

One product is made especially for this application. Behemen's Salad Bowl finish. I have used it on personal commissions for bowls that would be eaten from. Totally safe and non toxic, but also contrived to hold up to this type of use.

cad
 

NCPete

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Pete Davio
I look forward to your display there. I could put a good 9 iron shot into the pond by the Fayetteville art museum, from the sidewalk in front of my store!
 
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