Part of the legacy my father left me was the collecting habits of Fred Sanford, and the engineering abilities of Rube Goldberg coupled with the "making do with what's you got" inventiveness of Red Green. In several threads recently members have mentioned difficulty in finding mild steel round stock for making oland tool shafts. In the masonry dept of the local BORG they sell hefty smooth round bars in various lengths used to stake forms. These bars have holes for form nails but enough undrilled shaft remains to machine what one would need to hold a cutting bit. I believe they are a lot cheaper than the round stock sold out of the fancy bin in the hardware section which IIRC is not of sufficient diameter anyway :gar-Bi