Need Advice Looking for an Odies Oil alternative.

Mike Davis

Mike
Corporate Member
Thanks Scott. The one thing I have learned is that everything is a compromise and you have to choose which property or aspect of a product or process is most important then weigh all other factors and choose accordingly.

You can’t have everything, if you try you will be chasing unicorns.
 

yuenglingman

Gerry
User
Well the title pretty much says it all.

I love(d) using Odies Oil. It was an easy finish that was fool proof if you understood how to use it.

As a turner I have started using it as a type of friction polish and it’s wonderful.

Unfortunately the Odies Oil company has decided to yet again raise their prices ($70 a jar now) to a point where it feels like greed at its finest.

So I am now looking for alternatives.

Does anyone have any suggestions for a similar product?

TIA
Jason
Yeah the price is prohibative at best.
I use alot of waterlox, its a little pricey but goes a long way. Sometimes I just sand to 1200 and just use a hard paste wax works real good, Natural look.
Gerry
 

Westpacx3

Jim
Corporate Member
I have not yet made my own since I’ve had good results with affordable options. Generally I’ve used Watco. Kind of pushed one of my buttons here so a bit of what I recall on various oil finish components - in the event you decide to try a diy blend:
Watco was originally based on a tung/linseed blend, but evolved since acquisition by rust-oleum. Its attraction was using solvents to aid in deep penetration and speed curing vs the typical tung or blo finish. Now looks to be linseed and soybean oils and a rosin based component. It does not do well for water protection, I generally use it for indoor furniture. I’ve used Tru-oil, made for gun/rifle wood parts so has some water protection, it does tend to build a gloss finish and is not cheap - based on linseed oil and a proprietary modified oil which could be based on tung or an alkyd. These blends could be DIY since they are not complex - basically 3-4 components. Stoddard solvent is commonly used, it’s basically a more refined mineral spirits, “odorless” paint thinner is close. Some blends use a small bit of naphtha to aid penetration. Fwiw, alkyds are based on polyesters - simply made from fatty acids - if you’ve had a blood test for lipids, you know one, triglycerides - and polyols, which are alcohols. We’ve all heard of methyl, ethyl, isopropyl, well there are a lot more alcohols. Real varnishes, not PU, are alkyd and/or rosin based so make a good base for DIY blends. Tried&True may be a good base. Sherwin-Williams Minwax has an updated varnish based on linseed oil and an alkyd - tough and fast drying. The difficult part of diy’ing is that raw materials, other than boiled linseed oil, tung oil and solvents, are generally limited to commercial products that are already some sort of blend.

Odies and similar incorporate wax - these hard wax oil blends I have not yet used since I’m good with Danish oil. I’m sure the expense of these hard wax oil blends has in part been due to the work figuring out how to get the wax locked in as the oil cures, doubt it’s as simple as adding some wax to an oil blend. Waxes on their own do not form a durable cured finish. In a broad sense, waxes are long chain molecules that do not penetrate deeply so would normally remain near the surface. Simply buffing on a wax after the oil curing leaves the wax in a thin surface layer that will wear off relatively quickly. These hard wax oil blends improved the wax layer to be locked in - the waxes remain near the surface but tightly held in place so less prone to wear. Odies goes a bit further to use all plant based ingredients so cost is higher. But do you need all plant based? Sounds like others suggested some good options.
Really appreciate that response. I have made a DIY danish oil but have never gotten to deep into the make up of each. I have shifted lately to shellac but I mainly do small box projects. Thanks
 

ChemE75

Tom
Senior User
Really appreciate that response. I have made a DIY danish oil but have never gotten to deep into the make up of each. I have shifted lately to shellac but I mainly do small box projects. Thanks
I’ve never been known for brevity. I try to explain things in enough detail that the person asking will be able to benefit. As a retired chem engineer, I still enjoy research and digging into the chemical side of things. Hopefully I don’t bore too many.
 

Westpacx3

Jim
Corporate Member
I’ve never been known for brevity. I try to explain things in enough detail that the person asking will be able to benefit. As a retired chem engineer, I still enjoy research and digging into the chemical side of things. Hopefully I don’t bore too many.
Im actually amazed at the level of engineering knowledge on this forum as well as the woodworking knowledge.
 

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