I understand there is a formula for determining size on projects me make. Can't remember exactly what it was called. Can anyone help me and explain how it works?
Golden measurement?
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Design calculations...Golden ratio???
There was a comment made in reference to one of my boxes about the golden ratio. I am not some fancy artsy designer but I often use the golden ratio...1:1.6 to determine height and width ratios of things I design. I am not an expert on the subject so I offer this information.
http://goldennumber.net/
What other sources of rational do y'all use when creating your own designs.
Dave
There was a comment made in reference to one of my boxes about the golden ratio. I am not some fancy artsy designer but I often use the golden ratio...1:1.6 to determine height and width ratios of things I design. I am not an expert on the subject so I offer this information.
http://goldennumber.net/
What other sources of rational do y'all use when creating your own designs.
Dave
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I try to use your method, but I have also used a couple of books pretty heavily for overall dimensions. The book I seem to use the most is Thos Moser's measured furniture drawings. I don't follow the style, but I do use the dimensions for stuff I make. I have used dimensions for a chest of drawers and a night stand. Otherwise I have gotten some of the sizes out of FWW, Woodsmith, and Wood magazine. I normally do my own joinery, moldings, etc as when I try to duplicate a piece exactly from an article I end up having lots of problems.:BangHead:
I try to use your method, but I have also used a couple of books pretty heavily for overall dimensions. The book I seem to use the most is Thos Moser's measured furniture drawings. I don't follow the style, but I do use the dimensions for stuff I make. I have used dimensions for a chest of drawers and a night stand. Otherwise I have gotten some of the sizes out of FWW, Woodsmith, and Wood magazine. I normally do my own joinery, moldings, etc as when I try to duplicate a piece exactly from an article I end up having lots of problems.:BangHead:
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I have seen this formula used several times by my mentor helps me with my woodworking. I know it is something I need to learn and have it on my list of things to learn. There is so much to learn and so many notes to keep. Such fun and a wonderful way to relax and enjoy retirement. Next week I continue working on my nightstand. I have plans to make those large thick carved legs that Norm has in one of his books. Wish me luck. I think I can do it and then comes the dovetails for the drawers.
I have seen this formula used several times by my mentor helps me with my woodworking. I know it is something I need to learn and have it on my list of things to learn. There is so much to learn and so many notes to keep. Such fun and a wonderful way to relax and enjoy retirement. Next week I continue working on my nightstand. I have plans to make those large thick carved legs that Norm has in one of his books. Wish me luck. I think I can do it and then comes the dovetails for the drawers.
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You are probably thinking of the "Golden Ratio" used for making rectangular items. This description comes from the book Woodworkers Essential Facts, Formulas & Short Cuts:
"The golden ratio is expressed as follow: The smaller part is to the larger as the larger is to the whole. As a ratio, this can be stated thus:
A is to B as B is to A+B or A/B = B/(A+B)
When we set A=1 and solve the equation algebraically...we see that: B=1.618"
So all of that text to say you are probably looking for the value 1.618!
"The golden ratio is expressed as follow: The smaller part is to the larger as the larger is to the whole. As a ratio, this can be stated thus:
A is to B as B is to A+B or A/B = B/(A+B)
When we set A=1 and solve the equation algebraically...we see that: B=1.618"
So all of that text to say you are probably looking for the value 1.618!
I actually played around with that formula a while back, and plugged it into a spreadsheet. The reason I did this was to try to figure out how to take a known dimension and divide it into "golden mean" sections (like drawers on a dresser for example). It acutally works pretty well, but it gives sort of weird dimensions sometimes... I re-designed it so it gives the dimensions in fractions to the nearest 1/16", and it's a little better. I played around with it and eventually figured out that just "eyeballing" things usually comes out pretty close.
Anyway, I put this html version on my web site: link
I don't know if this is "real-world" useful or not, but it's kind of fun to play around with... ;-)
Anyway, I put this html version on my web site: link
I don't know if this is "real-world" useful or not, but it's kind of fun to play around with... ;-)
I draw furniture pieces every day, and I'll be the first to tell you, their is no formula. The size is generally determined by the style of furniture. A lot of todays furniture is larger scale than in the past. Today's dresser's are generally taller. Wardrobe's are designed nowadays to fit TV's and other electronics. Today's poster beds are drawn to have a low post option for the foot so you can watch TV in bed and so on.... If you are copying an antique, that is cut and dry - but if you are using the antique for a guide you may want to scale it up. I have the advantage that after I draw something I can look at the 1/8 scale sketch and check the pieces proportions. If you can do some type of rough sketch, you can get a feel for the proportions, but if you are not sure go to a furniture store and find something close to what you are building and compare.
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dave, I had the same problem. try the Office Update link (the lower of the two when I bumped into the problem a few minutes ago, first I thought it was some more of Insom's funny links) The update may take a few minutes, depending on connection speed. Mine didn't require a restart when finished.
Ditto here as well.
Sorry, guys. It works on all my computers, but I have Office XP on all of mine - I guess I must have installed web components up front.
Anyway, here is a link that may fix the problem: Office XP Tool: Web Components
Like I said, it's just kind of interesting to play around with... but just eyeballing it really does produce pretty reliable results. Test yourself - draw a golden mean rectangle by eye, without using a ruler, however big you want it (about 6-8" long, maybe). Then measure the length of your rectangle and plug it into my spreadsheet... I'll bet yours comes pretty close to the "final answer"! :icon_thum
Anyway, here is a link that may fix the problem: Office XP Tool: Web Components
Like I said, it's just kind of interesting to play around with... but just eyeballing it really does produce pretty reliable results. Test yourself - draw a golden mean rectangle by eye, without using a ruler, however big you want it (about 6-8" long, maybe). Then measure the length of your rectangle and plug it into my spreadsheet... I'll bet yours comes pretty close to the "final answer"! :icon_thum
Once again you folks have come through for me. We are never too old to learn something new thus the Golden Ratio. If anyone had ask me five years ago what I would be doing today a year into retirement I would have said I would be writing more novels. That isn't the way it turned out. I love the site of a stack of unfinished rough wood where my mind starts to spin. I love going through a book of plans for furniture and scanning web sites for something new to create. Thanks to all who share my excitement and thanks to all who help me learn just one more thing that helps to make me a better woodworker. Lorraine
Thats pretty neat. Maybe this will keep me somewhat on track
One other thing to mention about this spreadsheet - because of the rounding, your "final answer" may be off by 1/16"... plug in 48" and take a look at the "4 Div" section - you'll see what I mean. It adds up to only 47 15/16". Simple enough to compensate for, just watch out for it.
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