A complicated journey

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Interesting article:
NASA is developing a unified celestial time system called Coordinated Lunar Time (LTC). Because the Moon's weaker gravity causes atomic clocks to tick faster by about 58.7 microseconds per Earth-day, a standardized clock framework is required to ensure precise navigation, communication, and safety for future Artemis lunar missions. [1, 2, 3] may want to investigate this.
 

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Donn
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Joe, I consider you a friend and I know you to be an exceptional woodworker and engineer! That said, I think we are maturing (aka aging) in different directions -- at this point in my life I am trying to minimize complications while you are trying to add them. Nonetheless, I am very much looking forward to watching your work as it progresses!
 
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Joe
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Joe, I consider you a friend and I know you to be an exceptional woodworker and engineer! That said, I think we are maturing (aka aging) in different directions -- at this point in my life I am trying to minimize complications while you are trying to add them. Nonetheless, I am very much looking forward to watching your work as it progresses!
A friend indeed!

Do not go gentle into that good night,
Old age should burn and rave at close of day;
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.

-- Dylan Thomas
 
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Joe
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A little more design work over the weekend. The biggest challenge at this point is the motive force. The very best spring or weight-driven movements are accurate to several seconds to over a minute per month - and that's brass gears and jewel bearings, not wooden geared. Not good enough. Originally, I thought I'd do a synchronous motor, driven by the 110VAC line. While the frequency varies a little in the short term, over the long haul it is remarkably stable, providing a near-perfect time base. However, given all the complications, setting the clock in the event of a power failure would be a real task. So I looked into a low voltage synchronous scheme with a high accuracy battery backup. This is way too complicated, so I decided on a stepper driven design with battery backup. No convenient way to grab the AC waveform, so it'll be a temperature compensated crystal, with an accuracy of a few seconds per year. Good enough. The gearing has been defined as per the spreadsheet. I'm not completely sold on the star chart with an accuracy of one hour in 35 years. I can get to 1 minute in 167 years by adding another gearset, but don't know if that'll fit. The moon phase is good at 1 day in 122 years. The initial layout is attached. Shown are the pitch circles of the gears, each color coded to the spreadsheet. It does not include the perpetual calendar yet which I am reserving for the right side. So far 12 pinons and 12 gears.

At this point I am completely blown away by the watch makers of the 1700-1900s who did all of this and more without spreadsheets and CAD!
 

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Donn
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Joe, when this all comes together it is going to be a very impressive woodworking and engineering feat. I am somewhat amazed at the level of accuracy you are talking about: I think one hour in 35 years is absolutely terrific, so I really cannot wrap my mind around 1 minute in 167 years! As for the early watchmakers, I wonder what level of accuracy they considered acceptable versus achievable.
 
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Joe
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Donn - thanks for the vote of confidence!
Extraordinary accuracy is an interesting thing with watch makers. They seem to always want more. I recently read an article about IWC's Eternal Calendar - its calendar is good to 3999 before having to reset it and their moon phase gearing was determined by a months of computer searching and is good to 1 day in over 45 million years. Crazy. Of course it'll set you back about $180k. Time is money...

My objective is basically a 100+ year run without adjusting. Of course, my motor won't last that long so the clock will stop and everything can be reset if it's ever repaired.
Since the celestial display rotates once in just under a day, a one hour error in 35 yrs is about 4% or about 11.8% in 100 years. Does it matter - no it really doesnt.
The fact that swapping out the two gearset deign with a three gearset design takes the accuracy to extreme levels is by chance - I would have settled for far less.
In the end, I'll see if there's room and make a decision.
 

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